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John Turner (c1760/65) of Marion Co, SC[Commentary] [Children] [Researcher List] [Register Report] [A Note about sources] [How to contact me] [Home] I (Marty Grant) don't know how (or if) I'm related to the John Turner (Jr) family, but I am very interested in him though. I'm reasonably sure that he is an Uncle of mine, but I can't prove it yet. John Turner (Jr) was born ca 1765 (per his Revolutionary War Pension Application). He was born in Halifax (now Martin) County, North Carolina on the Roanoke River (per his Revolutionary War Pension Application). John Turner is a son of John and Patience Turner based on circumstantial evidence, and also, I'm told, a Darlington District, SC Court case (which I haven't seen yet). An 1819 deed also seems to show that John was a brother to William Turner who is a proven son of John Sr. The Turners came to Catfish Creek area of present day Marion County, SC in the late 1760's I believe. John Turner served under Francis Marion during the Revolutionary War. (per his Revolutionary War Pension Application). John Turner (Jr) may have been listed on the 1790 census. There was a John Turner listed in Prince Frederick Parish of Georgetown District. I don't know if this is him or not, but it probably is. If not him, then it is his father. Another John Turner was listed in Prince George Parish, same district, one is John Sr, the other John Jr, can't be too sure which is which, though it seems more likely the one in Prince Frederick is John Jr (both were listed simply as "John Turner".) The 1790 census was alphabetical, so we can't determine who a person's neighbors were, nor where they lived exactly. 1790 census analysis (based on available evidence): (Explanation of this census) 1790 Georgetown District, Prince Frederick Parish, SC pg 52 John Turner 1-1-1-0-0 Analysis: 1 Male(s) 16 and Up (before 1774) John TURNER (1760/65) s/o John & Patience 1 Male(s) under 16 (1774/1790) Son? 1 Female(s) any age (before 1790) Wife? It is entirely possible that the above listing isn't for the same John Turner under study here. I don't know if he was married by 1790 or not, though certainly old enough to have been. On 20 Sep 1793 John Turner Jr purchased 195 acres of land from Benjamin and Anne Blackmon, land on the south side of Catfish creek. John Turner Jr was referred to as a "Planter" in this deed. The land bordered property of John Sanders, Thomas Hulin, Hugh Giles, and Harrison Lucas. (Marion Co, SC Deed Book C page 260). Marion District was formed in 1798 from Georgetown District, and it included portions of Prince Frederick and Prince George Parish (I don't know exactly where the parish boundary line ran). The Turner's were found in Marion District from then on. They lived in the region of Catfish Creek roughly between the modern towns of Latta and Sellers and the Temperance Hill community. John Turner Jr was listed on the 1800 census in Marion District, SC. He was listed as "Jr" this time, to distinguish himself from his father. After his father's death (ca 1804), John Jr no longer used the "Jr" designation, and after a number of years, he began to be called "Sr" himself, to be distinguished from a younger John Turner in the same area. In 1800, John Turner Jr was listed next door to his brother Reuben Turner and just two houses from his brother-in-law Barnabas Hathcock (married to Catherine Turner). All of these (and several of their other neighbors) were listed in the "Free Colored" columns of the census. Unfortunately, this column was "lumped" together, and was not broken down by age and sex, so all we can tell is their were 4 people in the household, and don't know how many were male and how many female. 1800 census analysis (based on available evidence): (Explanation of this census) 1800 Marion District, SC pg 462/806 John Turner Jr 00000-00000-4-0 Analysis: 4 Others (before 1800) John TURNER Jr s/o John & Patience Wife? Child? Child? The Turners generally alternated between "White", "Free Colored" and "Mulatto" on the census records. Census takers used the "Free Colored" and "Mulatto" designation to show a person of mixed race, whether they be part Indian, part Black, or of some other origin (darker skinned). A large portion of the Turners of Marion County fell into this category. One of the earliest Turner's in the area was John Turner Sr (c1740-c1804) and his wife Patience. John and Patience were the parents of John Turner (Jr). They were listed in this mixed race category, and there are several public records relating to them. The 1790 and 1800 census list them in the "Free Colored" columns, and some court records and one deed record show them to be of black origin (however, some of these records were based on statements by people trying to hurt the family in that era of racism, so were certainly very biased). Based only on these records, it can not be determined whether the family was of part Indian origin, part Black origin, or a combination of the two, or of some other origin. However, all the available documentation (and there is more than just a little bit) shows that the family was part African. For some reason, John Turner (Jr) did not appear on the 1810 census (or else I missed him). There were two John Turner's listed in nearby Marlboro District, SC. One of those could be him, but I don't know anything about them yet. I'll reserve judgment on that until later. John Turner was not listed on the 1811 Marion District tax list, so that may indicate he had moved away, if only temporarily. John Turner was listed on the 1814 tax list in Marion District and charged $1.57 1/2 for taxes. Sometime in the 1810 timeframe (give or take a few years), John Turners wife died, and he remarried. I don't have the name of either wife. From somewhere I have the name "Lucy" as the name of one of his spouses, but I don't know the source for that. On 16 Dec 1819 John Turner and William Turner (his brother) sold 68 acres of land to John Bridges. I think this is probably them selling land they inherited from their father, but I can't be sure of that. The land was on the East side of Catfish. William Turner signed his name, but John Turner made a mark. Witnesses were James G. Crawford and Nathaniel Murfee. (Marion Co, SC Deed Book I page 146). John Turner was listed on the 1820 census in Marion District. His household was listed in the white columns, except for John himself who was listed as Free Colored. This census was alphabetical, so I can't tell where he lived or who his neighbors were. 1820 census analysis (based on available evidence): (Explanation of this census) 1820 Marion Dist, SC pg 67 John Turner 020100-01100-fpc=0001-0000 Analysis: 1 FC Male(s) 45&up (bef 1775) John TURNER (1760/65) s/o John & Patience 1 Male(s) 16-25 (1794-1804) Son? (1794/1804) --> gone by 1830 2 Male(s) 10-15 (1804-1810) Son? (1804/10) --> gone by 1830 Son? (1804/10) --> gone by 1830 1 Female(s) 16-25 (1794-1804) Wife? (1800/04) 1 Female(s) 10-15 (1804-1810) Daughter? (1804/10) --> gone by 1830 Starting around 1820, there were two John Turner's in the county, so unless "Sr" or "Jr" was used in reference to them, it will be hard to tell which is which. I have a page set up for that other John Turner, but I know very little about him so far. One of the John's was named in the Estate records of John Henry, merchant dated 20 Nov 1821, as being a debtor to the estate. (Marion Co, SC Inventory Book 1827-1836 pg 14 as published in the Pee Dee Queue) Neither John Turner was listed on the 1824 Marion tax list. John Turner was listed in Marion for the 1830 census. Unfortunately this census was alphabetical, so we can't determine who his neighbors were, nor what neighborhood he may have lived in, though he was probably still in the Catfish Creek area. His family seems fairly young, so this may indicate that his wife had died, and all his children by his first marriage were grown, and that this represents a 2nd wife and new children with her. Unfortunately, I don't have 1810 census records for John Turner to compare with this one. The 1820 census supports John having married someone born ca 1794/1804 and combined with the 1830 census with a wife born ca 1800/10, it looks like his second wife (married before 1820) was born ca 1800/04. 1830 census analysis (based on available evidence): (Explanation of this census) 1830 Marion District, SC pg 48 John Turner 1000000010000-2100100000000 Analysis: 1 Male(s) 60-69 (1760-1770) John TURNER (1760/70) s/o John & Patience 1 Male(s) 0-4 (1825-1830) Son? (1825/30) 1 Female(s) 20-29 (1800-1810) Wife? (1800/04) 1 Female(s) 5-9 (1820-1825) Daughter? (1820/25) 2 Female(s) 0-4 (1825-1830) Daughter? (1825/30) Daughter? (1825/30) John Turner was listed on the 1840 census in Marion District, SC. He was listed as John "Sr" this time. This census was not alphabetical, so we can roughly determine where he lived. He was listed near several other Turner families, including his brother William Turner, just two houses away. They were still in the same area, apparently in the Moody Township area near Ebenezer Cemetery, west of Temperance Hill, between there and Catfish Creek or somewhere close to that area. 1840 census analysis (based on available evidence): (Explanation of this census) 1840 Marion District, SC pg 182 John Turner Sr 2110000001000-0021010000000 Analysis: 1 Male(s) 70-79 (1760-1770) John TURNER Sr (1760/70) s/o John & Patience 1 Male(s) 10-14 (1825-1830) Son? (1825/30) 1 Male(s) 5-9 (1830-1835) Son? (1830/35) 2 Male(s) 0-4 (1835-1840) Son? (1835/40) Son? (1835/40) 1 Female(s) 30-39 (1800-1810) Wife? (1800/10) 1 Female(s) 15-19 (1820-1825) Daughter? (1820/25) 2 Female(s) 10-14 (1825-1830) Daughter? (1825/30) Daughter? (1825/30) John Turner apparently died before 1850, as he wasn't listed on that census. With such a huge family in 1840, I expected to find a widow and several Turner children still around, but I didn't find anyone who fit. One possibility (and a strong one) is that Lydia Turner was John's 2nd wife. She was not found on the 1850 census, but she was in Marion for the 1860 census. She was born ca 1804/05 and that fits well with John's 2nd wife. She had an older daughter Ann born ca 1823/24, and John had someone that age with him in 1830 and 1840 as well. I don't have enough information yet to draw any conclusions about this, but keep it in mind as a possibility. Lydia may have been listed somewhere in the 1850 census, but under a different surname (if living with her parents, or a brother or a married daughter, etc). Whether or not Lydia was the widow of John Turner, I didn't find her after the 1860 census. See her page for more on her family. ChildrenJohn Turner and his wife (or wives) had several children, according to the 1790 through 1840 census records. However, none of them are positively identified. There are numerous "unclaimed" Turner's that could easily belong to John Turner (Jr), but so far, I have insufficient evidence to place them here. Unknown Son (1774/90). John Turner had an apparent son this age. He was with him for the 1790 census (age under 16, born ca 1774/90), and probably with him in 1800, though in that year, the family was listed in the "Free Colored" columns, and not sorted out by age and sex. Since John wasn't found in 1810 we can't tell when this son left home. He was not with John by the time of the 1820 census. There is a Martin Turner born ca 1789/90 who left Marion District before 1830 and moved to Izard Co, AR. This could easily be him, in fact, he is the only suspect I have so far. Unknown Child (1790/1800). John Turner had an apparent child this age. This child was with John Turner for the 1800 census, though in that year, the family was listed in the "Free Colored" columns, and not sorted out by age and sex. I don't know whether this child is male or female. Since the child was not with him back in 1790, I can only assume he/she was born ca 1790/1800. Since John wasn't found in 1810 I can't tell when this child left home. He might still be home with John in 1820 if he is the male son age 16-25 (born ca 1794/1804), which would fit, though that could just as easily be a son born ca 1800/04 instead. There is a James Turner born ca 1795/96, who with his brother Martin Turner born ca 1789/90, left Marion District before 1830 and moved to Izard Co, AR. This could easily be him. There is at least one other Turner born the 1790's who might belong here instead, namely my ancestor Daniel Turner (c1795/96), but for various reasons, I don't think it is Daniel. Unknown Son (1794/1804). John Turner had an apparent son this age. This might be the same child with him in 1800, born ca 1790/1800, and if so, then he was born ca 1794/1800. It is also possible that this is another son, one born ca 1800/04. Census analysis is not an exact science, so I can't be sure. This child was home in 1820 (age 16-25, born ca 1794/1804), but gone by 1830, so probably married or dead by then. There are a number of unclaimed male Turners who roughly fit this age group, and I don't have strong feelings about any particular one as being this likely child of John Turner. Unknown Son (1804/10). John Turner had an apparent son this age. I don't have John's 1810 census entry yet, but this son was home with him in 1820 (age 10-15, born ca 1804/10), and gone by 1830, so probably married or dead by then. There are several unclaimed Turners who fit this age category. I don't know which one might be the son of John. Unknown Son (1804/10). John Turner had an apparent son this age. I don't have John's 1810 census entry yet, but this son was home with him in 1820 (age 10-15, born ca 1804/10), and gone by 1830, so probably married or dead by then. There are several unclaimed Turners who fit this age category. I don't know which one might be the son of John. Unknown Daughter (1804/10). John Turner had an apparent daughter this age. I don't have John's 1810 census entry yet, but this child was home with him in 1820 (age 10-15, born ca 1804/10), and gone by 1830, so probably married or dead by then. I have no clues who this daughter might have been. Unknown Daughter (1820/25). John Turner had an apparent daughter this age. This child was home with John in 1830 (age 5-9, born ca 1820/25), and still home in 1840 (age 15-19, born ca 1820/25). This could be Rhoda Turner (c1824/25), or Ann Turner (c1819/20) or Rachel Turner (c1823/24), all of whom fit age-wise. Unknown Son (1825/30). John Turner had an apparent son this age. This child was home with John in 1830 (age "under 5", born ca 1825/30), and still home in 1840 (age 10-14, born ca 1825/30). This could be Joel Turner (c1824/25) or Robert Turner (c1824/25) or James Turner (c1827/28), all of whom fit age-wise. Unknown Daughter (1825/30). John Turner had an apparent daughter this age. This child was home with John in 1830 (age "under 5", born ca 1825/30), and still home in 1840 (age 10-14, born ca 1825/30). I don't know who this daughter was. Unknown Daughter (1825/30). John Turner had an apparent daughter this age. This child was home with John in 1830 (age "under 5", born ca 1825/30), and still home in 1840 (age 10-14, born ca 1825/30). I don't know who this daughter was. Unknown Son (1830/35). John Turner had an apparent son this age. This child was home with John in 1840 (age 5-9, born ca 1830/35). This could be Robert Turner (c1831/32) who fits age-wise. Unknown Son (1835/40). John Turner had an apparent son this age. This child was home with John in 1840 (age "under 5", born ca 1835/40). This could be Solomon Turner (c1838/39) who fits age-wise. Unknown Son (1835/40). John Turner had an apparent son this age. This child was home with John in 1840 (age "under 5", born ca 1835/40). 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Register Report1. John1 Turner , born about 1765 in Martin Co, NC ; died aft 1840 in Marion Dist, SC , son of John Turner and Patience (---) . Last Updated January 16, 2006 Turner Page (Main) | Turner Families | What's New? Home | Surnames | Christian Pages | Search this Site | Contact Me
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